~*claps furiously*~ Well done you! I'm going to show my fella this post with the hope it might give him a kick up the bum to pay for the test!
Well done, that's great news!
That's brilliant news
That's good news, congratulations. :-)
Why did you want to join Mensa?
To prove to myself that I could.
I don't have any qualifications to speak of (apart from one A level and one A/S - yes, I failed Maths!!), nor do I have any vocational qualifications.
I just wanted to achieve something for myself.
I'm very dubious of intelligence tests (especially IQ), and some of the text stated on the Mensa site, as it smacks of elitism.
Either way, you have a good reason for achieving what you did. Congrats :-)
2003-05-20 01:55 am (UTC)
What's the difference between that and an olympic swimmer getting a gold medal?
I see your point, but I think there's too much emphasis on certain accepted ways to excel in this world. Generally it's seen as good to strive to run faster than everyone else, or lift heavier weights that others, or in the case of Boxing, beat the living $h1t out of someone! Why shouldn't we "reward" people for their excellent intelligence.
I too say well done Dave!
Because the ability to test someone who swims a distance is easily defined. Intelligence is not easily defined, and it is dangerous and ironically unintelligent to believe it is.
2003-05-20 02:24 am (UTC)
The entirely depends on your definition of intelligence.
My point exactly. It's easy to define the distance between two points and the speed with which someone travels between them. But how do you define what intelligence is? Also, I am sure that opinions on what comprises intelligence differ from person to person. <Argument ad infinitum> Ultimately though what is the point? Rather than worrying about defining it, testing it and including/excluding people, why not just get on and use it for something, whatever it might be.
2003-05-20 02:41 am (UTC)
Just because it is difficult to define something doesn't mean we shouldn't try surely?
If joining mensa meant I could have conversations with intelligent, witty people who have something to say that would be a bonus.
2003-05-20 03:34 am (UTC)
So we can measure it?
If nobody had defined sound pressure level, or decibel, we couldn't quantify it.
Why measure it? So we can use that data in research in other areas maybe? So that we can draw conclusions from that research?
As an example a lot of people are working in the area of AI. Now surely we cannot measure how effective our AI algorithms are without a comparison, or benchmark. Using human intelligence as a reference we can measure how "intelligent" our AI is.
That's just one application I can think of, off the top of my head.
But as mentioned before sound, speed etc. are definable things to measure. Your definition of intelligence might be passing a maths test, mine might be a beautiful painting (which is equally subjective). We would be wasting our time trying to quantify something that is unquanitfiable and subjective. Humans are made up of many skills, and rather than trying to analyse and distinguish we would be better just to enjoy it and work together.
Equally a test applied to an AI would be equally subjective. A computer might be able to sort shapes, but not able to answer the question "what is love?". Does this make it intelligent? In some peoples eyes maybe, in others not.
I suspect this discussion will rage on ad infinitum as my viewpoint certainly will not change, so I'm just going to agree to disagree.
2003-05-19 08:06 am (UTC)
Congrats Dave! I know you'll not let it go to your head! ;-)
Congrats Dave :) That is fantastic news. You must be so pleased. I thought it was funny what you wrote about the postage.
Congratulations, Senior! What did I tell you!
2003-05-22 03:34 am (UTC)
I found that the problem with the "Test the Nation" format is that
(a) unless you are home alone, you are distracted by other people's daft remarks and giggles, and
(b) you have the same amount of time for each question, and don't have the opportunity to whizz through the "easy" ones and come back for a second look at the more difficult ones.
When I did the Mensa written test in 1974 I did quite well but have to admit that some of my answers were pure guesses.
I soon learned to be very careful about mentioning IQ tests to some people - when they find out your score they can be very scathing, saying things like "it is only a test to test whether you can do tests" and "just because you have a high IQ doesn't make you a better person".
But I see no reason why one shouldn't celebrate one's achievements, so GOOD FOR YOU!
Avis (Dave's mother's sister - who refuses to be called "aunt")
p.s. I used to know someone with an IQ of 168 - he was great fun and fascinating to talk to for a short time, but a long conversation was absolutely exhausting - like Alice, you had to run very fast just to stay in the same place - and sometimes you just wanted him to shut up and stop being so clever!!!
2003-09-09 02:18 pm (UTC)
U dont know me came accross this by chance. But I had the same Test the Nation and Mensa thing Appears the BBC test needs testing